Eye (my pronoun is eye, don’t question it) have been very busy recovering from reading as far as I did in Serano’s book. It was just…so bad. So, to make up for it, here is Deluded Serano’s take on Paris Leeeeeeees in the Independent.
A journalist contacted me recently for a feature she was writing about “the row” between trans-exclusionary radical feminists (TERFs) and trans people.
Really? Where is this article? There have been a few, the most “recent” one we found was Helen Lewis’s article on Germaine Greer. Paris ain’t in it.
Also, Paris, when you use an anti-lesbian slur IN THE FIRST SENTENCE, we will usually stop reading. USUALLY.
She told me it would be a “balanced” piece that listened to “all the sides of the debate”. I offered her a quote: “In Britain, 48 per cent of young trans people have attempted suicide. What drives them to feel so hopeless, desperate and alone? Could it be the widespread social exclusion, family rejection, workplace discrimination, media ridicule, poor healthcare and street violence trans people face? If you want to talk about trans issues, start here.”
Could it be mental illness? Serious question. RELATED: Is being mentally ill a reason to override the rights of everyone else in society?
She asked me how I’d like to be “treated, perceived and/or accepted by radical feminists”. I don’t. Like most people I just want to get on with my life without constantly being beaten over the head and asked to justify my existence. If you think I’m a man, fine. I don’t need you to accept me. But I won’t sit back and let you take away my rights.
That was a stupid question from the pretend journalist, yes. Who cares how anyone accepts or treats anyone else in some hypothetical world. I am fairly confident no radical feminist wants to join Paris on his wild adventures to blow as many men as possible in a gay club. Except maybe Cathy Brennan.
But who is “taking about your rights,” love? Women have been the objects upon which the trans agenda has acted for decades now – it’s women’s rights that have been eroded, not yours.
In the end, despite the journalist’s good intentions, I pulled out of the feature.
ahaha pulled out.
Because I refuse to lend prejudice respectability by framing it as a row.
On what planet is Paris lending respectability ever?
Up until recently, if trans people were offered a chance to speak at all, it was always on other people’s terms. Journalists. Filmmakers. Others in positions of power. Those people, who were not trans themselves, got to decide what the ‘real’ issue with trans people was.
On what planet is Paris? Serious question.
Well I say there is no ‘row’ between TERFS and trans people. Just as there is no ‘row’ between Westboro Baptist Church and gay people, no ‘fallout’ between the BNP and ethnic minorities, and no ‘debate’ between rape advocates and women.
Here is a white man comparing Women objecting to “female” being reduced to a feeling in his head to a church that ambushes the funerals of gay men, lesbians, military veterans, and anyone else. He is also comparing these same Women to “rape advocates,” which is rich coming from a community who believes a transwoman’s right to fuck lesbians is a civil rights issue. BY THE WAY, if you want to talk about ambush tactics, HOW ABOUT THIS DYKE MARCH VIDEO?
As for the endless “debates” about whether trans women are “real” women, you may as well ask if being gay is “normal”. I don’t have to spend the rest of my life discussing other people’s stupid prejudices any more than gay people do. You can discuss whether it’s normal to be gay till the cows come home because all you need is one bellend who says it’s evil and, bingo – you’ve got yourself a debate! The real questions are: Will we, as a society, allow gay people to marry? Adopt? And are we prepared to give trans people legal equality?
- Transwomen aren’t women. If they were women, there’d be no need to call them trans.
- No Women who you call a TERF gives a shit about what’s “normal.”
- Being gay is excellent.
As trans people are becoming visible in the same way that gay people felt able to in previous decades, some of you are starting to panic. But we’ve always been around. The only times our lives may have upset yours was when prejudice forced us to hide our true identities. When we felt pressured into sham marriages. When our mental health suffered and we became a burden on society because we didn’t have access to the healthcare we so desperately needed.
There isn’t a single radical feminist on the planet that is “panicking” about trans people.
TERF fears are imaginary. There is only a single reported case of a man disguising himself as a woman to commit assault in a women’s shelter. In the whole world.
Well….. this depends on your definition of “transgender,” doesn’t it? If your definition of “transgender” is “only those people I say so,” then SURE. If your definition of “transgender” includes the broad umbrella under which all those who express a “gender” that doesn’t conform to their biological sex, then the answer is…. there’s a whole lot of male violence, dawg.
There’s no evidence that the attacker, Christopher Holbrook, was trans, but that hasn’t stopped TERFs from using him an excuse to oppose trans rights.
Well, no evidence except he said he was transgender. Which you have trained everyone to accept. So now we are confuse.
Also, it’s HAMBROOK.
Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of trans women like me are already using women’s facilities every single day without any problems. If anyone has any hard evidence that trans rights harm women I suggest they send it to the Women and Equalities Committee. Or the police.
We agree! Call the police and complain. Except and also, when we do that, we are also attacked by #blokeslikeyou
And then there’s the rubbish TERFs spout about parents forcing kids to be trans. Most adult trans people have had to fight to be accepted for who we are by our families. My dad bullied me for years in a bid to “toughen me up”. You can’t force kids into being trans any more than you can stop them from being trans if they are.
Munchausen by trans proxy, anyone?
Leelah Alcorn’s parents tried to suppress her true identity until, last year, like all too many trans and gay teens with unsupportive families, she took her own life. She was 17. Thank God more and more parents are supporting their kids to be themselves.
Alcorn’s suicide was a tragedy and not the fault of his parents.
Bigotry disguised as religion is still bigotry. So is bigotry dragged up as feminism. There will never be conflict between women’s rights and trans rights in the same way that there will never be conflict between women’s rights and disabled rights.
So, for bigotry, it is bigotry for Women to be concerned about #maleviolence and it’s bigotry for Women to be concerned that children have become pawns in the trans ideology. Ohhhhhkay, funny, I thought bigotry was intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself (OH NO, THAT WOULD MAKE PARIS THE BIGOT).
Painting minority groups as a danger has long been used to justify discrimination.
Men actually are a danger in that they are statistically more likely to commit violent crime. There are literally thousands of books and studies on this. AND AND ALSO, MEN ARE NOT A MINORITY GROUP.
The supposed “threat” black men posed to white women, for example, was a major factor in America’s shameful history of lynching.
Paris, a white gay man in the UK, just compared Women objecting to being told penis is female to throngs of white people terrorizing and murdering African Americans. Yes, he did that.
And religious “concerns” and the lie that gay people could harm children was used to justify the homophobia of Section 28, which banned the ‘promotion of homosexuality’ in schools.
Hon, most TERFS are lesbians. You need to stop.
Germaine Greer wins an “iconoclast” award from The Oldie for daring to tell trans women we’re not real women. What a maverick! Who is the sacred cow here? Trans people? Get real.
You aren’t women at all. If you were, we wouldn’t be having this stupid conversation.
Those such as Brendan O’Neill, Melanie Phillips and Greer accuse trans people of denying them their free speech then tell us this free speech is vital to challenge orthodoxies like, erm, “transgenderism”.
Free speech is actually vital, Paris. You should be grateful for it.
Anyone who seriously believes the push for trans rights is a prevailing orthodoxy should cast their mind back a few years to see how many trans voices were speaking for themselves: virtually none.
A simple google search.
Transgender. About 62,800,000 results (0.42 seconds)
Radical feminism. About 5,260,000 results (0.60 seconds)
When the Gender Recognition Act passed in 2004 there was zero coverage in the mainstream media and no published comment anywhere from trans writers.
AND THIS IS THE FAULT OF THE DAMN TERFS.
Thanks to a few trans celebrities including Caitlyn Jenner and Laverne Cox, for the first time many people are suddenly aware of trans folk’s existence as something other than a joke. Some orthodoxy.
Transgender. About 62,800,000 results (0.42 seconds)
If you’ve got a problem with trans people, that’s your problem.
As Andrea Dworkin, Gloria Steinham and Angela Davis prove, it’s perfectly possible to be a feminist and celebrate trans people.
If you don’t, that’s nothing to do with feminism and everything to do with you. And I want nothing to do with you.
Feeling is mutual. Stop demanding our time, attention, space and bodies AND WE WILL GET ALONG SMASHINGLY